John Holaday on a new product that will make it possible to dispose of unused prescription drugs in a safe, convenient and effective way, that prevents their misuse for addiction, and that also prevents their pollution of the environment ~
“So. . .when you get a prescription for an opioid, it comes with a little packet. Same size as the one for the flowers. So, when you’re through with the drug, instead of flushing them, which contaminates the environment, or instead of getting in your car and taking them to a pharmacy take back program, most pharmacies don’t want them anyway, it’s inconvenient, pour a little water into that prescription vial, halfway fill, add this powder, and then shake it up. Within 30 seconds it dissolves the pills and encased them in a polymer, . . . a gel, from which they cannot be extracted for abuse and they won’t leech into landfills. It’s biodegradable.”
Andy Ockershausen: This is Andy Ockershausen. This is Our Town. Of all the, over a hundred, guests that we’ve had on Our Town, we’ve interviewed the top to the bottom. Most have been recognizable names from sports, government, radio, television, newspaper, you name it. We’ve had a potpourri of guests. But this man has made such a major impact on Our Town. But, he’s worked under the radar. His name is John Holaday. Not Johnny Holliday. Not our Johnny Holliday. I got it mixed up for a while, til Janice straightened me out.
But, this John Holaday, he’s a scientist, and entrepreneur, a former captain in the United States Army, an inventor, he’s been CEO of several medical companies, and he’s a friend of Our Town. We’re so delighted to welcome John Holaday.
John Holaday: Thanks so much Andy. What a pleasure to be here today.
Andy Ockershausen: You will know when this program airs. I call our podcast radio without transmitter. We didn’t pay for this. But, it’s always there and it’s ours and it’s yours. Once it’s done, it’s out there forever.
John Holaday: Right.
Andy Ockershausen: Stay up there, cause I don’t know how we get this. But John, welcome. You’ve done so much and it’s under the radar. We’re trying to open the radar up to you now, in some ways.
You’ve done so much. Tell us about the John Holaday. Growing up, how did you get to the University of Alabama?
John Holaday – Born in New York, Grammar School in Tennessee and College at the University of Alabama – Roll Tide
John Holaday: Roll Tide. Born in New York, my father was a professor. Went down to Alabama, as the Chairman to the Department of Educational Psychology. So, three of us went to college there. Obviously went the benefit of having a father who was a professor there.
Andy Ockershausen: He was on the faculty?
John Holaday: He was on the faculty, yeah. It’s tough to put three kids through school, but they had a break for faculty, in terms of the cost of tuition.
Andy Ockershausen: You went to grammar school and so forth in Alabama?
John Holaday: No, I went to grammar school in Tennessee. So, we moved from Tennessee to Alabama.
Andy Ockershausen: He was a scientist. Correct?
John Holaday: He was a professor of psychology, at the University of Tennessee.
Andy Ockershausen: Oh, shrink!
John Holaday: Uh, shrink. Yeah. Yep.
Andy Ockershausen: And then he moved the family down south to Alabama.
John Holaday: Down to Alabama. 1957.
Andy Ockershausen: Wow!
John Holaday: Yep.
Andy Ockershausen: That’s a long time ago John.
John Holaday: I’m not a spring chicken, either.
Andy Ockershausen: I know that. But you are in so many ways. You’re young, and you’re young at heart and that’s important. Here you are on the University of Alabama campus and you go studying there. You’re gonna be a graduate of the University. Correct?
John Holaday: That’s correct.
Andy Ockershausen: Your father, obviously had ways to get you in school.
John Holaday: Well, I think he must have helped in some way.
Andy Ockershausen: You had good marks though.
John Holaday: I had pretty good marks in high school, etc. Yeah.
Andy Ockershausen: Did you always want to be a scientist? Did you want to, then proceed to use all this education that you have from the university?
John Holaday: I was the kind of kid that would take things apart. I’d take clocks apart. And, I fixed the family washing machine. So, I was always the kind of person that wanted to understand how things worked.
Andy Ockershausen: A tinkerer!
John Holaday: A tinkerer. Yeah.
Andy Ockershausen: But, tinkerers know a lot. I know that.
John Holaday: Well, you learn.
Andy Ockershausen: I know several of them. And they tinker. They can do things. They learn it on their own. Most of them. You can’t go to school to learn to be tinkerer.
John Holaday: Nope.
Andy Ockershausen: It’s gotta be within you.
Biology Research – Walter Reed
John Holaday: You can tinker in different ways. So, I’ve tinkered in biology, if you will, all my life. Trying to understand how the body works, and trying to make drugs to make it better.
Andy Ockershausen: Did you ever work with animals? Did you ever do any biology work with …
John Holaday: Oh yeah. I did a lot of research. When I was at Walter Reed, for a total of 20 years, both in uniform and out, I did a lot of research with animals. Published a couple of hundred papers. Some great papers in science and nature, etc. That used animals in research, to understand the endorphins. How the body’s own opiates can affect our behavior and our health.
Andy Ockershausen: This is at Walter Reed, which is both a thriving medical community, but also, a teaching opportunity. Correct? At Walter Reed.
John Holaday: That’s true. Walter Reed has different divisions. I was in the Institute of Research, which is famous. Of course, Walter Reed discovered some of the early treatments for infectious diseases. The Institute of Research was mainly known for an infectious disease circumstance. However, neuroscience, the study of the brain, really started at Walter Reed. So, the initial work to define how the brain and the eyes communicate, was done there at Walter Reed, among a number of other things. Some very famous scientists at Walter Reed, in the field of the central nervous system.
Andy Ockershausen: I’m thinking, while you were talking about it. What’s at Fort Detrick? Is that a subsidiary of Walter Reed or is that some separate post?
John Holaday: Well, the research and development command that controls Walter Reed, is at Fort Detrick.
Andy Ockershausen: In Maryland. Correct?
John Holaday: That’s correct. That’s the boss. Then, we at Walter Reed, we’re the people that reported to them.
Andy Ockershausen: Didn’t Walter Reed also have the common, whoever it was in charge of medicine for the United States Army, was Walter Reed, I don’t know whether he was a graduate, or that’s where he taught, a General, four star General, right?
John Holaday: Yes. And when I first went to Walter Reed as a young Lieutenant in 1968, Eisenhower was on the third floor of the main building, on the upper right side, as I recall, out on his deck and I would go by and snap him a salute from about 200 yards away. He never could see me, but at least that was the history.
That was the old red brick building. They then moved into the newer building. Which was built about two or three years later. Now, that’s abandoned and most all of Walter Reed is out in the Fort Glenn section, with the Navy.
Andy Ockershausen: I think Eisenhower died in 69, didn’t he?
John Holaday: I think he did. Yep.
Andy Ockershausen: So, you got in before. They retired a lot of old Generals in that wing. Is that correct?
John Holaday: Oh, they did.
Andy Ockershausen: At one time.
John Holaday: They did.
Andy Ockershausen: No, Patton wasn’t there. He got killed in Germany. MacArthur had a hotel or something he stayed in, right?
John Holaday: I don’t recall. But, I know that there were several Generals that were treated there, through the years.
Andy Ockershausen: Walter Reed was a world-class place. Walter Reed himself, was he a scientist? He’s a doctor-
John Holaday: He was a doctor. Right. And, yellow fever, he discovered the cure for that when he was stationed in Cuba, I believe. Or at least in Central America. Actually, he was working on the Panama Canal.
Andy Ockershausen: Right. I knew that story.
John Holaday: He found a way of treating yellow fever with a vaccine.
Andy Ockershausen: He figured out the problem was, they were trying to stamp out something that they couldn’t stamp out but they could prevent it from growing. That was the water. With water was the great thing with flies, and mosquitoes, and the bad water, or as soon as they cleaned it up, he got rid of all the mosquitoes, with cleanliness.
This is And Ockershausen, this is Our Town. I’m talking to THE John Holaday, not the Johnny Holliday. We’re talking about medicine and we’ll be right back to talk to John Holaday.
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Andy Ockershausen: We’re talking to John Holaday on Our Town. John went to school at the University of Alabama but got his degree in Pharmacology. Is that a good word, John?
John Holaday: That is.
Pharmacology – University of California
Andy Ockershausen: From the University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine. I did not know they had a campus in the city cause their main campus is across the bay. Right?
John Holaday: Correct.
Andy Ockershausen: You studied at the University of California, which makes you a different person, cause everybody that studies in California’s different. But, you are a former member of the American Society for Clinical Oncology, and the American Association for Cancer Research, a fellow in the American College of … I can’t pronounce it John, it’s too much for me, it’s FACNP, and a Fellow in Critical Care Medicine, FCCM. John, you are over educated.
John Holaday: You are right there.
Andy Ockershausen: You’ve now obtained all this knowledge and you’re now using it in a unique way, to me. I’m not familiar with it but I’m familiar what you have done. But, you brought so much to the table about this problem we have with opioids. Did I pronounce that right?
John Holaday: You did. Such a problem.
Andy Ockershausen: I didn’t know what that was until Janice explained it to me.
John Holaday on Opioid Epidemic
John Holaday: Opioids are drugs like morphine, heroin, fentanyl, etc. You know we’re in the midst of an opioid epidemic. It was highlighted very recently on 60 Minutes.
Andy Ockershausen: I saw that.
“More people died last year from opioid overdose than there are names on the wall at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”
John Holaday: As well as the Washington Post. More people died last year from opioid overdose than there are names on the wall at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. So we’re reminded that-
Andy Ockershausen: More than 58,000?
John Holaday: More than that. More than that died from opioid overdose. Sadly Andy, all this starts in the medicine cabinet, with leftover opioids. 40% of the people have got leftover opioids in their medicine cabinet. A third of the people that have surgery, have leftover opioids in their medicine cabinet. I’ve had a lot of surgery. I had a lot of opioids before I found a way to get rid of them safely.
Andy Ockershausen: Pain killers.
John Holaday: Pain killers. These are drugs like fentanyl, like well probably, morphine, Vicodin, Percocet, oxycodone, are all different opioids. Similarly, in structure, but with different modes of action and potencies.
Andy Ockershausen: Different manufacturers also. Correct? Everybody’s in the race war to sell. I don’t mean a race war, but a drug war to sell product.
John Holaday: Well, they are. And one of the problems, it was pointed out, over the last several days in these public forums, was that these companies were making a lot of money. They’d ship millions of pills to little small communities in Kentucky and West Virginia.
Andy Ockershausen: I was stunned with that statistic.
From Addiction to Pain Meds to Heroin laced with Fentanyl
John Holaday: And those certainly aren’t to treat pain. They’re being diverted, for people that are addicted. So, what happens once you start taking opioids and become addicted? The strange perversion, if you will, of opioids is the more you take the more you need. You get tolerant to it. And they’d take more and more, let’s say OxyContin and they couldn’t afford it anymore. They couldn’t find doctors to prescribe it for them, so they turned to heroin, which costs ten bucks a bag, not $80 for an 80 milligram OxyContin.
It’s cheaper, they’d get high off of it. That made them heroin addicts. Then what happened is, just in the last couple of years, fentanyl, a very powerful opiate, they call it an elephant tranquilizer, 50 times more potent than morphine.
Andy Ockershausen: Wow!
John Holaday: Was imported from Mexico and/or China, not legally.
Andy Ockershausen: Is that grown? It has to be grown?
John Holaday: No, that’s a chemical synthesis. It’s doesn’t come from the opium poppy, it comes from chemist laboratory.
Andy Ockershausen: I see.
John Holaday: It’s 50 times more potent than morphine and the put some of that into heroin and the patients didn’t know that. Excuse me, the addicts, they thought it was just heroin, they’re used to heroin, and they’d die, from overdose.
Andy Ockershausen: They never knew about the problem?
John Holaday: No, they were getting their high, which is what they wanted.
Addiction is a pernicious process, it’s a disease. It’s very difficult to manage. A lot of money’s being thrown at this opioid epidemic. Most of it, treating the addicts, once the become addicted, and trying to find ways to get them off of the drugs. What we’re doing at a company called DisposeRX, is finding a way to stop all of this where it starts, in the medicine cabinet.
Andy Ockershausen: The main effort that we hear about is to try to stop people of using it. Then you don’t have a problem with the leftovers. But, that has been a losing battle for years. Correct?
Opiod Epidemic Attributable to Easy Access to Leftover Pain Meds – DisposeRX Solution
John Holaday: Well, it has been. With drugs like opioids, for instance, when I had some surgery last year, I’d take two or three of them. I didn’t like that very much, which meant with a prescription of 30 or 60, those were all leftover. So, if kids came in to your medicine cabinet, or even neighbors. They’ll check out your medicine cabinet. And at a dollar a milligram, that’s a lot of money. They’ll either use it themselves, or they’ll sell it. So, what we need to do is get that stuff out of the medicine cabinet, opioids and other scheduled drugs.
So, what we’re doing at DisposeRX is very analogous to what you do every day, when you’re off and you go to a florist. So, the florist, around the bottom of the flower blooms, there’s a little packet with a rubber band. You pour that packet into the water to preserve the flowers. So by analogy, wouldn’t it make sense that when you get a prescription for an opioid, it comes with a little packet. Same size as the one for the flowers.
So, when you’re through with the drug, instead of flushing them, which contaminates the environment, or instead of getting in your car and taking them to a pharmacy take back program, most pharmacies don’t want them anyway, it’s inconvenient, pour a little water into that prescription vial, halfway fill, add this powder, and then shake it up.
Within 30 seconds it dissolves the pills and encased them in a polymer, if you will, a gel, from which they cannot be extracted for abuse and they won’t leech into landfills. It’s biodegradable.
Andy Ockershausen: It kills the after effects of the drug. Correct?
Drug . . .”is permanently, physically and chemically inactivated in this material.”
John Holaday: The drug can’t be accessed. It is permanently, physically and chemically inactivated in this material. So even if you took this whole pile of glue, kind of like rubber cement, you wouldn’t get any value out of it because it’s not capable of being dissolved from it.
Andy Ockershausen: Well John, it seems to me, this is a “laplander”, that you’re pushing the string here with city hall to get people to do this that don’t care that much in the beginning. So, you’ve got a real educational process to get people convinced that it’s something they should do because it’s not something they wanna do.
John Holaday: Isn’t that true? Whether it was seatbelts, or recycling plastic bottles, all these things changed behavior, which made a difference for people. So, one of the things that’s important-
Andy Ockershausen: Takes time to John.
John Holaday: It does. Here’s what happened. During 1971, a law was passed saying that all prescription drugs had to come out in a child resistant closure. Remember St. Joseph’s aspirin for children, when that came out as an orange flavor? Tasted great. Kids would eat the whole bottle and sadly they’d bleed to death. So St. Joseph’s came up, initially with a concept of some closure that would prevent easy access for kids.
Someone that’s working with us on our advisory board, a guy by the name of Dr. Noel Vander, invented the child resistant closure. Now he’s worked, later with the legislation, in 1971 and now the consumer protection agency, which manages that. Within two years, Andy after they put these child resistant closures on the pharmacies, on the pill bottles, there was 45% reduction in childhood deaths.
So, that was really mandated by law, and it made a difference because the kids couldn’t get into the stuff and abuse it. We think likewise, if there’s a legislation that would allow us to then dispense this product with the prescriptions. It’s not just opioids, what about antibiotics, chemotherapy, and all of these drugs, which are toxic, that when you’re through with them, instead of leaving them in your medicine cabinet, add a little water, add the powder, shake it up and throw it away.
Andy Ockershausen: Your method is infallible that people will do it. The problem is not the product, the problem is getting the population to recognize it and do it. That to me is an educational process.
John Holaday: And that’s exactly what we’re passionate about. We wanna make a difference. All these lives that are lost, all these families that are disrupted, all these fish in the Potomac, that are affected by the pollution from drugs that’s flushed into commodes, that’s gotta be stopped.
Andy Ockershausen: That could be fabulous.
John Holaday: It’s an educational process.
Andy Ockershausen: John, it’s amazing what you have done and what is possible. We’re gonna take break here and come back to Our Town. I wanna talk to you about some of your more successful adventures, and how did you get to this one. I know you were a banker for a while, John. We’ll get back to that. This is Andy Ockershausen, this is Our Town.
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Andy Ockershausen: This is Our Town, it’s Andy Ockershausen talking to our pal, John Holaday. John, we were talking about: Are there any drugs that we can use as painkillers that are not addictive? That, as citizens, we can use?
John Holaday on History of Pain Meds
John Holaday: Sure, it all depends on how much pain you have. For instance, if you’ve just got a headache or a muscle ache, take Tylenol, or take Advil, two different kinds of drugs, which are not as powerful as opiates.
Andy Ockershausen: Advil, is aspirin, I’m told. Is that correct?
John Holaday: It’s like aspirin, yes. It works in the same chemical mechanisms, it’s motrin. Tylenol is acetaminophen and they have two different mechanisms of action. They’ll relieve mild to moderate amount of pain.
Andy Ockershausen: Right.
John Holaday: But, they won’t relieve severe pain.
Andy Ockershausen: That’s where we get into morphine and names like that.
John Holaday: Morphine.
Andy Ockershausen: I grew up knowing about morphine without knowing what it was, but I remember all the war movies they said, give them morphine. That’s what I remember, growing up.
John Holaday: It all starts with the opium poppy. As a matter of fact, Germany invaded Turkey to get access to the opium poppy to get Morphine for treating their troops. The real history goes back to the Sumerians. Over 3,000 years ago the Sumerians called, what we now call opiates, hulgus, which meant joy weed. They took this opium poppy to help treat diarrheal diseases. One of the side effects of morphine is constipation.
So, it’d prevent the diarrhea, but they also enjoyed it. That’s why they called it joy weed. Then in-
Andy Ockershausen: Happy diarrhea.
John Holaday: Happy diarrhea. Yeah. No comment. The first drug that was ever purified from a natural source was morphine. That was done by a German pharmacist, by the name of Fredrick Sertürner, in 1805.
Then, overtime morphine became more widely used for the treatment of pain. It certainly is addictive.
Andy Ockershausen: It wasn’t over the counter though, was it? In those early days.
John Holaday: In those early days nothing was controlled.
Andy Ockershausen: Yeah, I got ya.
John Holaday: Even heroin, which was launched in the early 1900s, was considered to be a safe way of relieving pain with a more rapid action.
Andy Ockershausen: Right.
John Holaday: So most all of these drugs are related. The chemistry behind morphine, heroin, oxycodone, and the list goes on, Vicodin, hydromorphone, etc. is the same. They are all based on a same chemical structure. But they’re, different ornaments on the tree, which provide a little different action for each of them. The thing that kills you from these drugs though, is respiratory depression. You quit breathing. It turns off the centers of the brain that cause you too breathe. That’s what an opioid overdose does. That’s why it’s so critical to treat these patients in a way that allows them to continue to breath and oxygenate their brain.
Andy Ockershausen: That causes people to use it and not use it all because they feel better and therefore they get better, but they save what they didn’t use and it goes into the medicine cabinet or into the drawer. That’s where you come in.
John Holaday: That’s the danger.
Andy Ockershausen: That’s where somethings got to be done.
Proper Disposal of Pain Meds – DisposeRx
John Holaday: That’s it. You’ve gotta capture those drugs in a safe, convenient and effective way, that prevents their misuse for addiction, and that also prevents their pollution of the environment. It’s not just morphine. As I was saying earlier, almost all the drugs in the medicine cabinet, if they’re getting into the environment, if you flush them for instance, you’re going to mess up fish, and probably people, cause you can’t get them out.
Andy Ockershausen: They’re there forever. Is that correct?
John Holaday: That’s correct.
Andy Ockershausen: Until the storm will wash it out. Well John, where do you come in with how you’re marketing your effort to get the, it’s not a pill, it’s a system, to help destroy these, what do you call them? Medicine cabinet leftovers.
John Holaday: That’s right. Well, it’s a packet that contains powder. It cost $1.50 per pack. We’re talking from the entire supply chain, all the way from the manufacturers to the distributors, to the pharmacies, as well as the patients and advocacy groups. It’s not just the medicine cabinets, it’s hospitals.
If you’ve ever had an experience with somebody in a hospice, usually by the time they’re discharged, and unfortunately not walking out, but leaving to go to heaven or wherever, they’ve accumulated bottles, and bottles, and bottles of opioids. Those are often diverted or flushed. So, all of this cycle, if you will, of addiction and overdose, which begins with opioids, has to be stopped. That’s our passion.
Andy Ockershausen: Right.
John Holaday: And that’s what DisposeRX does. It inactivates them, quickly, conveniently, and inexpensively. You throw them into the trash and over a while they start growing mold, because it’s biodegradable, and it’s not going to leech into landfills.
Andy Ockershausen: How do you market it? Does the company make these? Is there one manufacturer that people can use? Or is there several manufacturers?
John Holaday: No, this is a patented product of our company DisposeRX. We manufacture this in Texas.
Andy Ockershausen: Dispose of prescription . . . is beautiful.
John Holaday: DisposeRX. D-I-S-P-O-S-E-R-X is the name of the company. I have the pleasure of serving as the Chairman and CEO of the company with a great-
Andy Ockershausen: You invented it John.
John Holaday: Well, I did. With some other colleagues.
Andy Ockershausen: Chief inventor.
John Holaday: That are smarter than I am. That came up with . . .
Andy Ockershausen: But you have a marketing army in the United States now, pushing this product? Or, is it being introduced?
John Holaday: We’re a very early stage company, Andy.
Andy Ockershausen: Okay.
John Holaday: And to date, so far, the money for this has come from me and one of my colleagues, in the company. Nobody’s getting paid.
Andy Ockershausen: Right.
John Holaday: We’re just making the connections, to find a way of achieving our passion to stop this cycle of addiction and land pollution with a simple product. Certainly our expectation is, that with time, we’ll have sufficient sales. We’re making great progress. Some of the names of the companies, the pharmaceutical companies, some of the names of the distributors are in our eyesights. And, likewise we are talking to them about sponsoring this product or making it available to the patients that come in to get prescriptions. So, that when they walk out the door, they’ve got a way of disposing of it, safely and effectively.
Andy Ockershausen: Instead of warehousing it, they’re getting rid of it?
John Holaday: Well, believe it or not, nobody controls the disposal of leftover drugs. The DEA doesn’t control it. The FDA doesn’t control it. The Environmental Protection Agency doesn’t control it. I’ll tell you this. When you go get an oil change, you have to pay for its disposal.
Andy Ockershausen: Absolutely.
John Holaday: Or a battery. You have to pay for. Nobody’s in charge of disposing these drugs. It’s more difficult, in Maryland, to get rid of … A leftover can of paint is something that there’s more regulations than there is for leftover drugs.
So, absent that, we feel that we’re gonna make headway with our product.
Andy Ockershausen: John.
John Holaday: That’s safe, easy, convenient, effective and will prevent a lot of problems.
Andy Ockershausen: It’s always been a problem in society, it’s a problem standing on its head instead of being addressed. It’s just up there. John Holaday, it’s amazing what you’ve accomplished in your career. I can’t tell you how much that Janice and I believe in what you’re doing. We do everything we can to help you. Believe it or not, this program that we’re doing, it’ll be up there John, and up there means it electronic, it’s radio without transmission.
But, with a way for people to listen to it. You’ve just been a wonderful, wonderful source of good knowledge for us.
Find Out More at DisposeRX.com
John Holaday: Could I encourage anyone that’s interested in this subject to look at our website, it’s . There’s further information about the problem that we face and the solution that we’re bringing forward with our powder.
Andy Ockershausen: I hope this message gets through because, to me, John, it’s somewhat pushing a string, because these are the people that don’t care, or they wouldn’t have done it in the first place, I mean, to leave it around. But, now that you’ve brought this up John, maybe we can get through to them that they gotta do something about it. You just can’t leave it in the medicine cabinet. You’ve gotta get rid of it.
John Holaday: It’s gotta be done, I think, with a combination of legislation, education, commitment by the companies and the people that distribute this product, or other products throughout the United States.
Andy Ockershausen: One thing that would appeal to me John, would be very helpful, this is down the long road, if a squib or somebody of that stature would give these away, you’ll get more action on it. People don’t like spending a buck and a half to do something they didn’t wanna do in the beginning.
“. . .getting rid of these drugs at the point where they are most vulnerable, and that’s in the medicine cabinet.”
John Holaday: Yeah. Exactly the point. And some of the large manufacturers of opioids that have been discussed through these various, 60 Minutes and others, we’re in contact with them, trying to put together a relationship.
It would not only help them, from the point of view of being understood as responsible citizens for problems that are cause by some of their drugs, but it would also prevent a lot of the addictions and the overdoses. If they’re getting rid of these drugs at the point where they are most vulnerable, and that’s in the medicine cabinet.
Andy Ockershausen: That’s in the home, wherever it is, wherever people use this.
John Holaday: Hospitals, hospices.
Andy Ockershausen: John, I can’t believe all this knowledge that you’ve gained and it’s been a delightful conversation and it ends on a bad note for me, because it’s scary what John points out. That people are so laissez-faire when it comes to getting rid of drugs, when they should get rid of it.
John Holaday, you’ve been a wonderful guest and you just blow my mind with what you’ve accomplished.
John Holaday: Well, it’s a great pleasure to be here. You’re an old friend. I really have a great … I’ve listened to all your podcasts, as well.
Andy Ockershausen: We’ve got some good people. You’re one of the good ones too, man.
John Holaday: I’ve enjoyed every one.
Andy Ockershausen: Well, we’ve had a great … we’re over a hundred, we’re probably approaching a hundred and 10, a hundred 15 people we’ve talk to. They’re all part of Our Town, and they’re all part of you, John. We’re delighted to have you and look forward to you being a guest again on Our Town, when we solve this problem. This is Andy Ockershausen, with John Holaday.
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