Charlie Brotman on Sugar Ray Leonard and success negotiating his first professional fight:
“First professional fight, the youngster normally gets $400. That’s just tradition and normal. We were able to negotiate with Baltimore for $40,000, considerably higher. We worked with him the rest of his 15 year career.”
A Ockershausen: This is a special treat for Our Town for our million of listeners to have the most famous announcer in the history of the President of the United States, Charles Brotman, a native Washingtonian, grew up here, went to Tech High School, and fortunately moved to West Virginia at one time.
Charlie Brotman: At one time.
Getting Started in Broadcasting
A Ockershausen: That’s where he got started in broadcasting, as I recall.
Charlie Brotman: Correct. I went to the National Academy of Broadcasting.
A Ockershausen: And graduated.
Charlie Brotman: And graduated. It doesn’t exist anymore, but it was on 16th Street.
A Ockershausen: Know it quite well, 16th and R Street. No, no. Higher there. Park Road.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah, in that area.
A Ockershausen: Charlie, did you get your first radio job in West Virginia?
Charlie Brotman: Ronceverte, West Virginia.
A Ockershausen: Wow.
Charlie Brotman: When I graduated, they said they’ll get me a job. At first, they said it was in Owosso, Michigan in the wintertime. I told the people who were going to move me to Michigan, I said basically, “I’m busy right now.”
A Ockershausen: Call me.
Charlie Brotman: Finally, when all my friends went back to school in the summertime, that was fall, and I had nothing to do, I said, “I better see what’s available.” What was available was Ronceverte, West Virginia. That was near the Hotel Grand … What was the name of that hotel?
A Ockershausen: Bedford Springs?
Charlie Brotman: No.
A Ockershausen: Something like that in West Virginia?
Charlie Brotman: No.
A Ockershausen: West Virginia? Wheeling? Anyway.
Charlie Brotman: That famous hotel.
A Ockershausen: Greenbrier?
Charlie Brotman: Greenbrier. That’s it.
A Ockershausen: Wow. That’s a resort. That’s fabulous.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah, so I would go-
A Ockershausen: Did you live at the Greenbrier?
Charlie Brotman: I used the Greenbrier, played golf there, swam there like I was a guest.
A Ockershausen: That’s the best.
Charlie Brotman: I interviewed, goodness gracious, the Prince of Wales. Is that possible?
A Ockershausen: Yeah, he could have been visiting there. Absolutely.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah. He was visiting the Greenbrier, and I had a little microphone and tape recorder that I put right behind a plant. I was interviewing the Prince of Wales. He said that he’d just gotten off a golf course. He says, “Don’t tell anybody, but I gave myself some “gimmes” I would never have made.
A Ockershausen: That sounds like Bill Clinton. The Prince of Wales was King of England for a while.
Charlie Brotman: That’s it.
A Ockershausen: He abdicated. He married a woman from the state of Virginia.
Charlie Brotman: Yes.
A Ockershausen: Wallis Simpson.
Charlie Brotman: Correct.
A Ockershausen: We all know that, Charlies. We learn a lot.
Charlie Brotman: She was a really lovely lady.
A Ockershausen: I’ll bet, being at the Greenbrier. That started you, and you’ve interviewed celebrities your whole life now, whether it was in live radio or over a PA system. Then you came to Washington and said, “I’m going to be in the PR business.”
Charlie Brotman: Correct.
A Ockershausen: How’d that happen?
Charlie Brotman: Yeah, basically everything has a beginning and end. I hope the end isn’t soon, but in any event, when I got into broadcasting, I decided that I wanted really to get into sports. That was my thing. I wanted to be a sports announcer.
A Ockershausen: Ah-ha, we share that.
Washington Senators Announcer
Charlie Brotman: Yeah. Finally, when I went to Orlando, Florida as an announcer at the WDBJ whatever in Orlando, right outside of Orlando, like Silver Spring, is to Washington was Winter Park, Florida. As the sports director, I’m in Winter Park interviewing all the Washington Senators ball players and Calvin Griffith was there.
A Ockershausen: The President of the team, the owner.
Charlie Brotman: He’s the owner of the Washington Senators. I interviewed him, and he says, “Charlie, I understand that you’re from Washington.” I says, “Yes, sir.” He says, “Well, we’re looking for a new stadium announcer.” I says, “Wow.” “Are you interested, Charlie?” “If I get this job, I will have thought I died and gone to heaven. I would love to have that job.” He says, “Well, I got nine other guys who next Wednesday are going to compete, and we’ll pick the best one.”
A Ockershausen: An audition.
Charlie Brotman: An audition. “Charlie, if you want, next Wednesday just be there.” I said, “Well, I’m ready. I’m a competitive guy. I’ll be there.” I got a plane and went to Washington. I won the audition. Next thing I know it’s opening day in Washington, 1956. I am introducing Yogi Berra, Mickey Mantle. I’m saying, “How did I ever get into this? This has got to be the luckiest thing ever happen.”
A Ockershausen: Died and gone to heaven.
Charlie Brotman: Exactly. Then a friend of mine, Danny Bass, another local guy, I’d been away from Washington for several years doing my thing on radio.
A Ockershausen: . . . Charlie.
Charlie Brotman: I called Danny and says, “Danny, you’re a sports fan. You know the baseball guys. Why don’t we do this? You’ll be my spotter.” “Excellent.” We go. The announcing booth at Griffith Stadium was as high as you can go. It’s on top of the-
A Ockershausen: Up on the roof, wasn’t it?
Charlie Brotman: The top of the roof. We squeezed into the announcer’s booth. I introduced Eisenhower throwing out the first ball. Then I introduced the players on both squads. Now it’s about the fifth inning. This is 1956. We’re losing, again, by about five to nothing. The manager, Chuck Dressen, calls for a new pitcher, a relief pitcher. I’m saying to Danny, “Okay, Danny, who is the new guy so I’ll be able to announce him?” He says, “I think it’s Truman Clevenger. He’s their best pitcher, but I’m not positive. I can’t see the number.” I said, “That’s close enough. Ladies and gentlemen, now coming into pitch for Washington, Truman.” He is telling me to cut it. “Don’t announce anything else. I don’t believe it’s him.” Meanwhile, Truman is still hanging out there.
A Ockershausen: He’s giving you the cut sign?
Charlie Brotman: That’s right. “Don’t say anything more about Truman, because I’m not sure that’s the pitcher coming in.” Meanwhile, I’m looking down at Eisenhower, who is now looking up at me. “What is this, a joke? Truman is coming in to pitch for Washington? The guy I just defeated? I can’t believe this is happening. Is this some kind of a bad joke?” Meanwhile, I’m saying to myself, “Charlie, this is your first and last game of all time.” Now the pitcher comes in, reaches down for the rosin bag. We can see the number. Calvin Griffith would not have any names on uniforms, because he thought it would cut down on program sales. We now see it, and sure enough, it’s Truman Clevenger. I kind of faked it a little bit, like technical difficulties. “Yes, yes. Truman Clevenger now pitching for Washington.” I’m looking at the President now, and he seems relieved. “Oh, there really is a ball player named Truman. I had no idea. I thought this was some kind of a joke.” That was the end of that day.
A Ockershausen: Your first day.
Charlie Brotman: The first day, and it was the beginning of my announcing the inaugural parade.
A Ockershausen: Right, that’s what we want to go to. This is a hand-off, Charlie.
Charlie Brotman: I’ll tell you what happened.
A Ockershausen: Let me set the scene for you. Charlie has been the announcer for every inauguration since …
“Presidential Inauguration Parade Announcer – President Eisenhower (2nd term) through President Obama
Charlie Brotman: Eisenhower.
A Ockershausen: Dwight D. Eisenhower, the second inauguration.
Charlie Brotman: Yes.
A Ockershausen: You missed the first one, because he was serving his country in the United States Army.
Charlie Brotman: Navy.
A Ockershausen: Navy. You loved it, right?
Charlie Brotman: I loved it.
A Ockershausen: Particularly in West Virginia. Since then, now he will soon be … We were told the other day. I hope he comes through, that you’ll announce the next one of whoever the president is in January.
Charlie Brotman: If I live long enough, yes.
A Ockershausen: You will. I’ll see to that.
Charlie Brotman: Okay, thank you.
A Ockershausen: You owe me money. I don’t want you to leave. How did you get started?
Charlie Brotman: What happens now, it’s 1956. The baseball season is over. It’s November, and I get a call from a lady who says, “Are you Charlie Brotman?” I says, “Yes, ma’am.” “I’m calling from the White House. Did you interview or introduce President Eisenhower?” I says, “Yes, I did.” “Did you introduce him to the ball players in the club house in the dugout?” “Yes, I did.” “President Eisenhower got a big kick out of that. You impressed him. We’ve been looking for you to see if you’re still around and you’d be interested. The President wants to know would you be interested in announcing him again?”
I says, “What an honor. Of course, I’d love it. Just tell me where and when, and I’ll be there.” “The where is going to be on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington D.C. The when will be January 20th, 1957.” I says, “Ma’am, I was born and raise in Washington. That sounds like the presidential inaugural parade.” She says, “Mr. Brotman, you’re absolutely right. You will be the President’s announcer.” Gulp. I can’t believe it. I don’t know anybody. I’m not in the family. How did I ever even get involved in this thing? “It seems Eisenhower took a liking to you, Charlie.”
A Ockershausen: Right, when you introduced him to the ball-
Charlie Brotman: Introducing all the players to him. I said, “Well, I’d love to do it.” January 20th, pardon me, 1956.
A Ockershausen: 7.
Charlie Brotman: ’57, I was on the roof of the media center, which is directly across from the presidential reviewing stand. The President, whomever it happens to be, has the worst vantage point. He is almost level with the street. Can’t see anything. I was told, “Charlie, you are the President’s announcer. He can’t see who’s coming, who’s going, when to salute. He can’t see anything, unless it’s right on top of him.” As high as I am, I can see 15th Street to the left, 17th Street to the right. I’m directly across the street from the White House.
Everything went fine, in my memory. It’s like, “Well, it was fun. I did it. It’s over. That’s the end of my announcing for the Capitol, the White House.” Four years later I get a call. Meanwhile, it’s Kennedy coming in.
A Ockershausen: Right, in ’60, ’61.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah, and what happens, the woman who is calling me is saying, “Are you Charlie Brotman? Were you the announcer for …” “Yes, ma’am. Yes, ma’am.” “We’ve never been involved with a parade before. We have no idea. Where do we go? What do we do? Would you come to the White House so we can kind of pick your brain? We would love for you to be the announcer again.” I’m saying, “Positively I’ll be there, and we’ll talk about it.” Since that time, President Kennedy, President Johnson, President Nixon, President Ford, President Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, young Bush, and Obama I have had the pleasure and the opportunity of meeting them all. I have photographs taken with most of them.
A Ockershausen: I don’t know why you hate publicity, like you hate your right arm.
Charlie Brotman: It’s a thrill, incredible.
A Ockershausen: Wonderful.
Charlie Brotman: Being near and actively involved with the President of the United States, whomever he happens to be.
A Ockershausen: Charlie, it’s a great story. It’s a great story. I hope our audience appreciates it. We’re talking to Charlie Brotman. Not only was the President’s announcer, but he’s my announcer, too. We’ll be right back after this message. We do have messages.
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A Ockershausen: We’re talking with Charlie Brotman, the man who owns the presidency and, to my knowledge, never got paid. How does that stand, Charlie?
Brotman’s Public Service and Honor – Presidential Inauguration Parade
Charlie Brotman: As a matter of fact, every time that I was approached and asked about announcing the presidential inaugural parade, it would always come down to, “Now look, we have a small budget, and we want you to be the announcer.”
A Ockershausen: We’ve heard that before.
Charlie Brotman: “How much do you charge?” My reply for the last 60 years has been, “There will be no charge. It’s an honor. If I had to, I would pay you to let me be the announcer,” but I’ve never received one penny for being the announcer.
A Ockershausen: That’s amazing. I know that, Charlie. That’s great. It’s a public service. It’s something special. It’ll look good in your resume.
Charlie Brotman: Absolutely.
A Ockershausen: What are you going to do with it?
Charlie Brotman: Wherever I happen to be.
A Ockershausen: What happens happens. Charlie, your familiarity with fighters, that is boxing promoting, you’re a promoter, but you promote nobody better than you promote yourself. You were a tennis announcer. You just have done so much. The people you have PRed for are legendary in the sports world. For instance, Ray Leonard, the Sugar Man.
Charlie Brotman: Sugar Ray Leonard. When Ray was about 15, 16 years old, he was with the Golden Gloves, the AAU. They had retained me to publicize these events. In order to get publicity, I selected one of the fighters to be the next champion.
A Ockershausen: Right, like the poster boy for the fights.
Charlie Brotman: Exactly. That person was Ray Leonard. I didn’t know he was going to be a champion. I didn’t know that-
A Ockershausen: He was just a kid.
Charlie Brotman: He was a kid. He was clean-cut. He spoke well. He was a really terrific boxer, even at the age of 15, 16, 17. Then in 19…this is ’76?
A Ockershausen: Montreal.
Charlie Brotman: Montreal. Sugar Ray Leonard won the Gold Medal in boxing. He and his entourage came back to Washington. I get a call from one of the fellas. “Charlie, Ray, he’s back, and I’m back.” Janks Morton was his name.
A Ockershausen: Janks?
Charlie Brotman: One of the trainers. “To be honest with you, Charlie, Ray is broke. We haven’t made a penny on any of these things. We need some help. Can we come to your office and talk about this?” I said, “Of course.” Next day they’re at the office, Janks and Sugar Ray. Ray, young man.
A Ockershausen: Handsome, debonair.
Charlie Brotman: Looking now for guidance. “What do I do? What should I do? How can I benefit from this gold medal? Charlie, I’d really would appreciate it if you could help me on some of these things.” I set him up with several individuals doing some color commentating on boxing and on and on.
He had indicated to me that, “I really don’t want to be a boxer anymore. I want to go to Maryland University. I want to work with kids. That’s what I really would like to do. However, I know that my dad and my mom both have some illnesses that they’re working with right now.” I said, “I’ll tell you what. For the next couple of months, I’ll see that you get some money coming in. I’ll put you to work in different areas.” He said, “Fine, let’s do it.” I did that.
Charlie Brotman: Three months later, it appeared that his father and mother were in the hospital and really needed money. I’m telling Ray, like father to son, “Ray, the only way you’re going to make that kind of money is to box, whether you like to box or not. This was what you’re good at. This is where you can make a lot of money.” Sure enough, we changed his mind. Mayor of Baltimore, the Mayor of Baltimore …
A Ockershausen: William Donald Schaefer?
Charlie Brotman: That’s it. Donald Schaefer called me and said, “You know that Ray was born in Maryland.” I says, “Yes, sir.” He says, “We’d like for his first fight to be at the Civic Center in Baltimore.” I says, “Well, you’re competing against Abe Pollin and the Capital Center. I’ve been talking with them already. The fee has to be considerably higher for him to move out of Washington to come to Baltimore.” We negotiated. Next thing I know we’re in Baltimore. Normally the first fight is as is traditional in boxing-
A Ockershausen: First professional fight.
Charlie Brotman: First professional fight, the youngster normally gets $400. That’s just tradition and normal. We were able to negotiate with Baltimore for $40,000, considerably higher. We worked with him the rest of his 15 year career.
A Ockershausen: Incredible, Charlie.
Charlie Brotman: It was a thrill, and a thrill for me. Here I am in Las Vegas, and I’m kind of moving around trying to go, some of the entertainers I wanted to meet, and they’re saying, “Who are you? Get out of here.” That’s where my famous line was, “I’m with him.” “Oh, sorry.”
A Ockershausen: It worked.
Charlie Brotman: “Yes, come right in, absolutely.”
A Ockershausen: I used to use that all the time, “I’m with Brotman. Can’t throw me out of here.” Charlie, Ray Leonard is a sparkling example. I remember the promotion you did for Riddick Bowe. Did Riddick ever become Champion?
Charlie Brotman: He did.
A Ockershausen: That’s what I thought.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah.
A Ockershausen: He’s the guy from Fort Washington.
Charlie Brotman: We was the Heavyweight World Boxing Champion.
A Ockershausen: Incredible, “Bowe Knows”. I remember that promotion, and everybody had the pins on and so forth.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah, we had him down to Connecticut and K where Duke Zeiberts was.
A Ockershausen: Everything.
Charlie Brotman: We had him skipping rope and shadow boxing.
A Ockershausen: To promote the fight.
Charlie Brotman: Meet the next heavyweight champion of the world. We didn’t know if he would even beat his paper bag. We didn’t know, but he was-
A Ockershausen: It worked.
Charlie Brotman: It worked.
A Ockershausen: He came along, and he was local, too, another local guy. We’re talking with Charlie Brotman, who’s a fountain of information. It’s all true. We’ll be right back after this break.
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A Ockershausen: Welcome back to Charlie Brotman. We’re chatting about his illustrious career. We could be here for three days to talk about it. I’m reminded that you had, and I’ve seen it and been a part of it, and Janice has, one of the most memorable what I call a recreation room in the history of Washington sports, Brotman’s Lower Level. What happened to Brotman’s Lower Level?
Brotman’s Lower Level | Memorabilia
Charlie Brotman: For a long time, I’m a collector, not a professional collector. It’s just that I never threw anything away. I’m sure there’s a lot of wives out there saying, “Just like my husband.”
A Ockershausen: Junk.
Charlie Brotman: What had happened since I’ve been in sports a long time, I get souvenirs, whether they be bats and balls, whether they be autographs. As a for instance, President Nixon threw out the first ball. I also entertained him by introducing him to all of the baseball players. It was on Opening Day, and I said, “Okay, Mr. President. Here’s the ball you’ll be throwing out.” He says, “Charlie, I’m not going to throw out this ball. You’ve been so good to me. I want you to have this ball. I’m going to write right now, ‘To Charlie, Best wishes – Dick Nixon’.” I find out that that’s a collector’s item that he never signs his name Dick. The thing was he was macho. He was right on the field. He was in the dugout.
A Ockershausen: He felt it.
Charlie Brotman: He wanted to be one of the boys. I have that. I have-
A Ockershausen: A rare, rare piece, I’ll bet.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah. The other that I treasure is Ted Williams. “To Charlie, your friend, Ted Williams.”
A Ockershausen: Nothing better than that there.
Charlie Brotman: Yeah. Those are things that you-
A Ockershausen: I know, you got special, special things. Charlie, we remember, we, those of us that knew Charlie Brotman, your office was covered, thousands of pictures with sports celebrities, and your basement and your rec room was covered with thousands of items. You had stands from the original Griffith Stadium, right?
Charlie Brotman: Yes.
A Ockershausen: Seats.
Charlie Brotman: Yes.
A Ockershausen: Unheard of.
Charlie Brotman: The presidential seats at Griffith Stadium where the President sat and then would stand and throw out the first ball, unlike what they do now.
A Ockershausen: Yeah, you get on the mound.
Charlie Brotman: They go on the mound. I think it was 1961 when they tore Griffith Stadium down. I was with the ball club at that time. Joe Burke and Ed Doherty, remember those guys?
A Ockershausen: I remember those names.
Charlie Brotman: He was the General Manager and Business Manager. I’m the promotion and PR guy.
A Ockershausen: And the announcer.
Charlie Brotman: And the announcer. I go into their office and say, “I’ve got the greatest idea. They’re tearing down Griffith Stadium. Why don’t we have a Griffith Stadium at DC Stadium, because they’re throwing this stuff away?” I thought, “Oh boy, these guys are going to love me for this wonderful idea.” They says, “Charlie, that’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard. We’re not going to do it. We’re just going to throw this stuff away. Who cares about this crap anyway?” “What?” They weren’t from Washington, and it was just junk to them. I’m saying, “There’s thousands of fans here who would love to have anything you give them as a souvenir of Griffith Stadium. You got to be kidding.” “Charlie, we’re not going to do it. If you want anything in the ballpark, go out there, pick it up. Just get the ground crew to take it home for you, but we’re not having a Griffith Stadium day. We’re not giving any …”
A Ockershausen: They’re not selling anything either.
Charlie Brotman: I immediately went down to the President’s box seats, had the friends of mine and the ground crew dig them up. It was four, four seats in a row.
A Ockershausen: Had to have . . .
Charlie Brotman: Yeah.
A Ockershausen: Place for your elbows.
Charlie Brotman: I have them in my basement.
A Ockershausen: That’s part of the memorabilia.
Charlie Brotman: Correct.
A Ockershausen: There’s so many things. The question ask of me where is it now? I know where it is.
Charlie Brotman: My daughter and her-
A Ockershausen: Your wonderful daughter, a wonderful girl, Charlie. You’re lucky to have her, baby, and Ken.
Charlie Brotman: It’s true. It’s true. Her name is Debbie. Debbie Doxzon, D-O-X-Z-O-N.
A Ockershausen: Great name.
Charlie Brotman: They have a 10 acre farm, kind of a mini-farm. They got three barns on their 10 acres. It takes 10 acres and three barns to house all my junk. These are really . . . good stuff. I find the photographs, I must have 1,000 photographs-
A Ockershausen: At least.
Charlie Brotman: Of every famous person in the world that I ever came in touch with. The situation is personally I don’t like to ask anybody for an autograph. I’m just not an autograph seeker, but for me, I do know almost all the photographers representing various papers.
A Ockershausen: Absolutely, that was your job as a flack.
Charlie Brotman: I would say, “I’m going over to Joe DiMaggio and give him something. Would you take a photo, that way I’m not bothering him? We’re going to do this anyway.” Now I have a picture of Joe DiMaggio, of Musial, all these super stars of every sport. I was President of the Touchdown Club and the Touchdown Club dinners.
A Ockershausen: Well remembered. You’re the only president of the Touchdown Club that I know that had Bob Hope.
Charlie Brotman: Oh, that’s right.
A Ockershausen: Those were some days, Charlie. That’s in the mid ’70s, too. You had them on television live. Somebody had the great idea to do the Touchdown Club presentation live on television. I wasn’t in town, but I said, “What the hell is Charlie Brotman doing with . . .?”
Charlie Brotman: What happened was I thought that for our, I think it was 1976.
A Ockershausen: Correct.
Charlie Brotman: We needed somebody super to be our emcee.
A Ockershausen: That was our Bicentennial.
Charlie Brotman: I contacted Bob Hope and actually went to Bob Hope’s agent. The agent is saying, “You have to call. You got me in New York. I’m the New York agent. You need somebody from Hollywood. Here’s his number.” I called Hollywood. In each instance they’re saying, “How much are you going to pay him?” I’m saying, “We don’t pay anything to anybody. This is for kids and,”-
A Ockershausen: Charity.
Charlie Brotman: “Charity.” All the agents were saying, “He’ll never do it. He won’t do it. Not for that.” I said, “We’ll give him a trophy also for helping us out.” “No. Well, he’s in Hong Kong right now. He’ll be back in a couple of weeks.” “Okay.” “Send us a letter,” which I did. Then I followed up, and after three months, it was like no way. I started asking other super stars. I get a call from his agent that says, “This is not to say that he’ll be there, but you got his interest. This is sports, and he loves sports. Where will it be? How will he get there?” Sure enough, I couldn’t believe it, a week before the event he’s coming in. I met him at the airport, and I’m looking for at least 15, 20 people that would be travelling with him.
A Ockershausen: An entourage.
Charlie Brotman: The entourage never appeared. He came up the walkway by himself carrying an attache case. I had to look twice to make sure it was him. “Bob?” “Yeah, Charlie?” “Where are the rest of your gang?” “There’s no gang, no entourage. I travel by myself.” “Well, come on over.” I got to be friends with him.
A Ockershausen: What a great thing. At the time, he was the epitome of super stars, Bob Hope.
Charlie Brotman: Correct. That is exactly right.
A Ockershausen: You’re the epitome of super star now, super star PR guy, super star announcer, super star friend, and super star grandfather, and super star … You’re sitting on a gold mine, Charlie, in that barn. Some day you’ll get in and get something to give to me, a picture of me.
Charlie Brotman: I’ve been talking to Mark Lerner.
A Ockershausen: You want to do something in the ballpark.
Charlie Brotman: Mark is the son of Ted Lerner, who has the baseball team, the Washington Nationals, and also the Nationals Park. He indicated that he might be … They’re talking about possibly building a museum. “I’d love to have, Charlie, all your stuff in my museum.” I said, “Well, we’ll talk about it.”
A Ockershausen: That would be fabulous.
Charlie Brotman: That’s where we are.
A Ockershausen: Don’t hold your breath.
Charlie Brotman: Yes.
A Ockershausen: We’ve been listening to Charlie Brotman for a fabulous half hour plus about your career, which is still on the rise, because you’re going to do the inauguration of president whoever in January. We’re seeing to that. That’s going to be a special thing for all of us. Thank you, again, Charlie Brotman.
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